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No more sleeping hot. 2:24 Juna Sleep Systems, showroom in the front, factory in the back, 41st and Grange in Sioux Falls. Juna. 2:31 [upbeat music] Welcome to The Scouting Lounge, a weekly program with The Dakota Scout newspaper 2:53 based in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. I'm Joe Sneve, co-founder of The Dakota Scout, which is brought to you by... This program is brought to you by Beale Distributing and Juna Sleep Systems. 3:03 This fella right here, Jonathan Ellis, co-host, co-founder, partner in crime, guy who forgot that we crack cans on this program. [laughs] I just, I just opened a Busch Light bottle, sorry. Yeah. 3:15 You, uh- It, it didn't go as well as a, as the- You broke 195 week streak on cracking a can that you had. But not on a Beale distributed product. Okay. So. Okay. Good point. Good point. 3:27 Well, we have two wonderful guests today. Very, very special guests. We have a return guest, Governor Larry Rhoden, dirt bike rider. Uh- [laughs] I thought you were gonna ride a wheelie earlier today, sir. Yeah. 3:40 Well, uh, technically I wasn't on dirt bikes. [laughs] No. And your beautiful bride, South Dakota First Lady Sandy Rhoden, former teacher. I wanna talk to you about that later. Yeah. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you. 3:54 Welcome in. Have you been to a... You've been following him around quite a bit on the campaign trail and as governor, have you been into, like, a media setting quite like this before? No, this is very unique. 4:07 [laughs] This is very unique, yeah. The, um... Well, welcome in. You're, you were... I was just with you an hour ago out at Department of Public Safety- Yeah... Highway Patrol. Yep. 4:20 They've got a new dedicated, uh, I guess slab. I thought I was going to, like, an EVOC course or something- Yeah... out at, like, the Public Safety Center. 4:29 Uh, but it's, it's just a big slab where people learning to ride motorcycles can figure out how to maneuver their bikes and be taught how to control these machines. 4:39 And the highway patrol, DPS, they partner with South Dakota Safety Council, and I was interested to learn that BATE had a role in that way back when. Yeah. So you were out there kinda kicking it off. 4:53 I've do, uh, I never saw a ribbon cutting quite like that. Yeah. [laughs] I'm, I'm kind of developing a maybe a, uh... 5:03 W- last week I was, or two days ago, I was cutting, cut ribbons at a couple events with a, uh, fireman's ax. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For the, uh, for the fire station in Rapid City and Hot Springs. 5:16 Of course, I shot the ribbon to now, uh, ride a motorcycle through a ribbon- Yep... cut it, so. Well, you, uh, you got, you went, going faster than I think people thought you were gonna go. [laughs] So I think I... 5:29 People looked a little alarmed. Did you, did you know there was, like, a fence there? They had let the wire down for a second. Yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad that wire was let down. Yeah. I was like, "Geez, hope the... 5:38 Okay, good, it's there." [laughs] Otherwise, I'd be, we'd have written a different story then. [laughs] That'd been all right. It wasn't barbed wire. [laughs] I've rode enough bikes through barbed wire fences. 5:48 [laughs] You had, you had a helmet on too. The, uh... But you rode, uh, you rode dirt bikes, but not for leisure, right? More for working the ranch? Well, both. We did, you know, we did a lot of dirt bike, bike riding. 6:03 I had friends in the Badlands. We got to the Badlands on a pretty regular basis, and that was just- Were you-... a young man, that was-... hill climbing? Yeah. You, yeah, jumping, hill climbing. Yeah. 6:14 It was, uh, it was like a kid in a candy store. The Badlands are just like being on a different planet. Yeah. I'd always... Do they let you ride out there? Well, this is all private land, deeded land that we were on. 6:25 Yeah. It's just on the edges of, you know, Badland Park, so just all kinds of, uh, unique topography and- Yeah... and, uh, peaks and valleys and- It's like, like being on Mars, kinda looks like out there. But- Yeah... 6:39 uh, I- It's hard work, isn't it, riding those dirt bikes? 'Cause I remember you were, you, you would ride a race and you'd come back, and you would be, like, paralyzed from, for a couple days. 6:47 Well, it would help if I stretched first and stuff like that. [laughs] But, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it reminds you of muscles that you forgot you had or, you know, you didn't know you had. Yeah. So. Yeah, it's a workout. 7:00 Yeah. So, well, Sandy, you were there. You ever ride, you ride with him ever on the motorcycles? I try not to. Um, I've ridden on- [laughs]... 7:10 behind him a few times, and I think I, I'd just rather ride myself and let him go, 'cause he goes fast. He- Pretty much one speed and that's fast, so. You, you were talking about, um, 7:25 how it's a lot quicker to take a dirt bike out to fetch a- Yeah... an animal than getting on your horse. Yeah. Yeah, old school. You know, we, just seemed like it's kinda just society, everything's a bigger rush. 7:37 But, you know, used to be you'd go catch a saddle horse and saddle him up and then ride two miles to take you, you, you know, however long to ride out there, put a bull in, and then ride all the way back. 7:49 And jump on a motorcycle, you can do it in, you know, a fifth the time. Yeah. And the motorcycle's way easier to catch than a horse. [laughs] The, uh, well, that seems like, uh, 8:03 a good investment, because it was just a slab of asphalt. Yeah. Now they're gonna be able to train a lot more people out there. Yeah. I was like you. 8:10 I didn't, I thought I'd, I thought they'd have some kind of an obstacle course, but I, uh, you know, it's for training. I, I should've stuck around. It would've been, uh, 'cause they were gonna set up for the training. 8:20 Yeah. I'm sure they set up cones and stuff. But, uh, I told them I, I thought it was a great investment, 'cause that's part of being governor is keeping your state safe. 8:31 And I was born and raised around the rally, and, uh, I've seen too many people die needlessly, uh, especially in a rally. 8:40 Because the guys come out that, uh, haven't ridden bikes and jump on a bike and think that they can ride in the middle of, ride through the Black Hills and- Yeah... 8:49 and then, uh, they just outride their abilities and end up with a busted noodle and- And they don't get to go home. Yep. Yeah, that isn't good. 8:58 You mentioned, you guys, was that this last summer, you had your own sort of personal experience? S- third, yeah, third of July, 9:06 we were going to Rapid City to Mount Rushmore to meet up with Vance, our, our vice president, and, um, on the new Underwood road, where they just gr- ground, uh, six miles- Yeah... 9:20 of old pavement into gravel, and, and right on a curve is where it started, a biker come around the curve and hit the soft gravel on the shoulder and did a endo. And we were, I mean, there the second it happened. 9:33 And when we got there he was wrestling around on the gr- ground. I think he'd busted some ribs, maybe had a punctured lung. We never did hear, but he was in t- terrible amount of pain. 9:44 And so we got him, he, he wrestled around where he could breathe, and then I stood there h- with him propped up against my knees so he could, so he could breathe until the ambulance and other authorities got there. 9:57 Did he know you were the governor? Yeah, did he know you? I don't know. Not right away. I don't know if he- You asking for a campaign contribution? [laughs] [laughs] Yeah, that, that's why he's never reached out to me. 10:09 [laughs] Was he wearing a helmet? No helmet, no. Okay. Well, so no head injury then. No. It was ribs? No, I th- yeah, I think he just busted some ribs up. Okay. I thought he was wearing a helmet, but she wasn't, 10:23 because she was following him. Yeah, that, that might be true. I, I don't know. And I remember us saying, "It's probably good he was ahead of her." Yeah. 'Cause he was the one with the helmet. Mm-hmm. 10:33 I think it flew off and he wasn't wearing it by the time- Yeah... we helped him up, but. Well, they don't do much good if they fly off. The, uh, [laughs] 10:43 I asked you at the event, though, where you were at, on helmet laws, and I, I hesitate to even bring it up 'cause I don't wanna give any busybodies in Pierre any ideas, 'cause I don't, personally don't like helmet laws. 10:54 Um, I think the answer you gave, I think we're kind of on the same page on that s- sort of thing. You wanna reiterate or kinda where- Yeah. Well, I've, it, I've, I've never supported helmet laws. 11:09 I, a- and it's not that I don't th- think they're a good idea, and I've anybody that, uh, ask, I think they save lives and people should wear them. But, uh, I think it's a matter of personal responsibility. 11:23 I kinda draw the line politically, whether it was seatbelt laws or anything like that, that, uh, your rights end where they affect somebody else's rights. Mm-hmm. 11:34 And so for seatbelts or helmets, affects your own personal safety. I, uh, some people thought I was being inconsistent when I supported a, a texting ban or a law against texting while driving, 11:50 and there again I've applied the same principle. 11:53 When your rights affect somebody else's rights, there was too many times driving down the interstate and s- and some college-age gal sw- swerving [laughs] into my lane 'cause she's wa- Yeah... 12:05 got a phone that she's texting on. That affects my rights. Yeah, we have really bad- A high-profile example of distracted driving in our state political world, not too recent history. 12:16 So I mean, we have, we all know what the dangers come from that. Uh, so I, not that this is where it's going, but I think, I could be wrong here, I think Florida had a helmet law 12:29 for a little bit, and they saw a major dip in numbers at their Daytona Bike Week rally, and then the helmet law went away soon, soon after that. So there might be some economic, you know, c- uh, I don't know. 12:45 If you're gonna tell a bunch of freedom loving riders out in Sturgis they gotta put helmets on- Yeah... it just kinda, it kinda kills the vibe, I think. Yeah, I know. It, it's kind of a, it's kind of a mixed bag. Um, 12:57 I remember going to the rally during COVID and guys riding Harleys down the street with a mask on and no helmet. [laughs] Was that, w- was that, I mean, was that, was that a, was that to be a joke? No. No. 13:11 Oh, it was serious. No. Just dumbasses, like- [laughs] You know? So. Like, they really thought they were protecting themselves? Yeah, the best ones were you got Confederate flag masks. 13:21 [laughs] [laughs] Yeah, it's like something doesn't add up here. But- 'Cause you were there for that, that summer, weren't you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was... 13:31 How's it, how's it, how did it, how was that summer different than previous ones? Uh, I don't know. That was supposed to be the 80th. That's right. And it kinda cut the wind out of its sails. 13:43 So I know that was not great for the, for the people. But the locals, a lot of them were happy to see not as big of an influx because they don't want... I mean, everybody was acting funny then, you know. 13:57 And, uh, the, where I stay on the corner at Tent Camp, The Bishons, you might know them, right? Yep. Uh, I think they were all gung ho to shut everything down. Some people didn't do anything. 14:11 Some of the local vendors didn't do anything. So it was just an interesting world, uh, at the time. So you're, you're from that neck of the woods. Are you, you ever, 14:23 before you were a celebrity of sorts, I guess, did you go into the rally during bike week or did you avoid it? No. I think a lot of locals- Well, as I got older, we, we went less and less. 14:34 But as a, uh, I had an uncle that had a hardware store on the first block of Main, right across from Gunners Lounge, and he had no kids. But, uh, even when Sandy and I were first married, we'd go up there mo- every year. 14:48 It was tradition. We'd go up there, like, Wednesday of bike week. My uncle had long since quit selling hardware, but he s- he made enough money off the vendors that he'd stay in business. They'd, all the- Yeah... 15:00 retired gentleman in the city would come play cribbage [laughs] in his hardware store. And, uh, he had a little boars nest in the back. So we'd spend the day with him and... 15:10 And then, uh, after that, I kinda stayed, just stayed away from Sturgis until I got, uh, involved in politics. 15:18 And as a legislator, I started attending more events than as lieutenant governor, a lot more events, standing in for Christie, and got involved with the, uh, Hamsters. Mm-hmm. 15:29 I think I've spoke at their convention every year for the last five, six years. Wow. And, uh- Yeah... what a great group that is. And the more- What's the Ham- what's the Hamsters? 15:40 Well, it's a national, uh, group, organization. They have a limited m- membership, like 650 members. There's criteria. 15:49 They, they, they raise money for charities, and they've, uh, raised over $5 million for- That's a big amount... a lot of money. Uh, and they're mostly affluent businessmen that have an interest in bikes. 16:04 They have to have a custom made bike- Oh, yeah... and certain qualifications. Okay. Yeah. But, uh, some very interesting, uh, people you meet there. Yeah. They raise a lot of money- Mm-hmm... out there. Yeah. 16:16 Uh, I covered some events. I think I was out there once, uh, when Governor Noem was at the, the square in Deadwood. Yep. And I was out there- Did she ride her horse up on it? Yeah, I'm not sure if that was the one. 16:29 She did a poker run to the chip after that. Yep. Um, and I was out there, I think recreating, but I wanted to work a little bit, and I, you know, I don't look like I do now when I'm out at the rally. Yeah. [laughs] And 16:45 I sidled up next to, I think Madison Sheehan or something, and I think I scared you guys. [laughs] Like, who is this guy here- Yeah... with his bandana and, you know, half a beard? 16:57 And I think I showered for, like, four days. I think that was the year, uh, I saw a guy, big old giant guy come up onto Christie and then was pointing. 17:06 She was on the stage, and, uh, nobody was really around, and, and he kinda led her off to the side and went around to the side of the stage back there in the back dark corner. And, uh, 17:18 and then so I followed down there 'cause [laughs] I see this big old burly biker. But when we got over there, she introduced me. It was, uh, it was a guy that played that, uh, now, now I've lost his, the name. 17:31 He was, uh- Hercules? Uh, so- Hercules... so Hercules guy. Oh, yes... Kevin Sable. Yeah, Hercules. 17:37 And then the guy that was back there waiting for her who didn't wanna be seen with Christie, but he was a big fan, was the guy that played the mercury man in- Oh... uh, uh, Terminator. Oh, uh, Schwarzenegger? No. 17:49 S- s- the- Oh, the other guy... the other guy that was- It's like Robocop... made of mercury that- The bad cop. Yeah. Bad cop. The bad cop. Bad cop. Yeah. 17:56 He didn't wanna be seen because that would be bad look in Hollywood or what? Yeah, he didn't. [laughs] Yeah, he was, he was still wanting to be hired, and he thought- Yeah, yeah... damages. 18:04 [laughs] Loved Christie, wanted to meet her, but he didn't want anybody to take any pictures. Yeah. Well, I think there's some truth to that. Yeah. 18:10 You know, a lot of those Hollywood celebrities come out as, like, devout Christians, and then they kinda go away. They don't get roles to stuff like that, so. Well, there's a huge under- underground... 18:21 My, my uncle was a, he used to write a column for us before he passed. 18:25 He was a director out there for, and he was very conservative and, uh, you know, and, but there was a huge underground movement of conservatives within Hollywood, you know, but they just, you know- They don't want you biting. 18:35 They, they don't wanna, yeah, they don't wanna come out. Yeah. 18:37 That was a, a, a amazing for me to find out, uh, you know- I've said it many times that the bikers have a lot in common with ranchers, uh, in their political views and their world views. 18:49 And, you know, they're both fiercely independent, and they guard their rights and freedoms jealously. [laughs] Yeah. And, uh, so there's a lot of similarities. You see a lot of gas and flags out there. And, uh, uh... 19:04 Well, al- you also ride Steel Horse, right? So, uh, you walk the same after you spend a day on a horse or a motorcycle, right? [laughs] Well, I don't know about that. 19:13 [laughs] Last time I rode a horse, I was pretty sore for a day or two. [laughs] Well, I'm saying if you ride a Sportster all the way to Sturgis from Delaware Rapids, you gotta fall over. 19:24 You can't start drinking beer till the next day, so. Yeah, I guarantee you'd be in worse sh- worse shape if you rode a horse from there. Yeah, probably. That far. [laughs] You know, they do this run across the state. 19:32 Maybe you could ride across the state on a horse- Yeah... raise some money. Get Paul TenHagen to do it or something. The, uh... So what's it like following him around as a candidate for governor? Did you... 19:44 I mean, Sandy, is that... You, you guys must have had the conversation before he decided to, to run, um, that this was gonna be grueling and the expectations of it all. 19:57 Has it been what you thought it would be, or is it a little more exhausting? Where are you at on that? Well, it's definitely a little more than what I thought it was because he's still governor. 20:09 He's still working, and then he's adding the campaign on top of it. But you know, w- he ran for the US Senate 10, 15 years ago or whatever that was, and we were pretty much on our own. 20:24 Nobody knew who he was, but we were on the road all the time and a lot more independent. We have, you know, a little bit more expertise on that now and- Yeah... good people around us. Yeah. 20:37 And so I just feel like we're a team, and if he's out there, I need to be out there, too, and- Were you... You, you ran in 2014 for the Senate, right? That was, uh... 20:49 'Cause I covered your, I covered your announcement here at Fall- it was at Falls Park. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Oh, really? Yeah. Were you... You were there for that, right? I was. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 20:58 He didn't announce in Sioux Falls the first time, did he? Yeah, he did, at Falls Park. I think he- Yep. And you were standing right in front of me. I still have a picture of you and I. 21:06 Oh, that Larry wrote in that Sioux Falls city slicker. [laughs] [laughs] Was that calculated? I'd imagine. Well, certain- [laughs] You know, certainly if you're gonna hunt elephants, you go where the elephants are. Yeah. 21:19 Yeah. Yeah. Need votes, you go where the voters are. Yeah. And they're... You know, I, we made announcements back home as well, but, uh, it's no, no different now than it was any time. Yeah. You know, and then, 21:33 a- a- and that's been, I, I guess, a blessing for me too, 'cause I've been, spent a lot of time in Sioux Falls, and most, most of it's been official. 21:43 And you think about what's gone, been going on in Sioux Falls this year, uh, with Smithfield getting that deal, that- Yeah... 21:51 I mean, every time I think about that, I kinda wanna pinch myself, 'cause that's just seems surreal that we got that done. Yeah. 21:57 Because that was, there were so many obstacles in the way of that ever happening and, you know, the, just the way the planets aligned- Yeah... to get it done. 22:06 And one of the planets, of course, was Bill even being on my team and, uh, you know- Yeah... his connections. But that, the prison... 22:15 You know, a year ago if you'd have said, "We're gonna have, uh, g- ground breaking for a new prison that's going to be paid for. It's gonna be on a better site than what we started with. 22:26 We're gonna do it for $175 million less and end up with 30,000 more square feet for rehabilitation programming." Uh, you know, [laughs] if somebody would've told you, you'd been drinking too much of that Busch Light. 22:43 [laughs] Yeah. Well, uh, speaking of that, of the prison, uh, you, it wasn't really a... Well, you guys broke ground. It's not a ribbon cutting, I suppose. Right. 22:57 Solid on you for warning everybody not to throw that dirt in the air. [laughs] A little windy. The- Yeah... 23:03 'cause, you know, re- some of these listeners might have never been to one of these things, but, you know, it's, it's some gladhanding and celebrating, and you got the golden shovels, and everybody gets up there for the photo ops. 23:16 And usually you'll toss a little dirt, right? But it was windier than get out yesterday. Blowing right back in our face. Yeah. And you guys were about to do it, and I, I think you said, "Whoa, whoa." 23:26 Like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, here." Uh- [laughs] Just dump the dirt. [laughs] Yeah, don't be throwing it up in the air. And I'd imagine a few people without that warning would have gotten a face full of dirt. 23:38 [laughs] 'Cause I'm not saying those folks aren't all intelligent people, but- No... you know, you're not always thinking clearly when you're in front of cameras, I suppose. 23:46 My, my dad, uh, when I was growing up, he worked for Boeing when, uh, on a dry summer when they were instilling, uh, building the Minuteman missile. So he went to work for them. 23:56 When they finished, he bought, uh, the guy he'd worked for had a ditch witch, and he bought that from him. So it was 1962. He bought that, and he put most of the water line out in our country. 24:08 You know, at that time nobody had pressure systems. And so he put in most of the water lines. So I, uh, I grew up spending my share of time on the, on the work end of a shovel. [laughs] Yeah. 24:21 Well, you, you're by trade, Sandy, a educator, right? Yes. And you- you're also a photographer. Well, yeah, it's kind of a hobby. Well- Not as much as it was a few years back. 24:34 Well, it's a small world because, uh, we know folks that are your neighbors, uh, and you've photographed their wedding. Um, and then, um- You're also a school teacher. How long were you an educator and where'd you teach? 24:50 Well, I, m- m- the bulk of my teaching was in rural Meade County, in a rural school, which is multi grades. Yeah. So usually it was either upper grades or lower grades. 25:04 And, um, so I actually originally had a major in art and in physical education. Okay. And so when I met him, we wound up getting married. 25:16 There were no art teachers out there, or PE teachers, so I had to go back to BH for two years and pick up my elementary ed. Oh. 25:26 And so, that my first year was at Stoneville and in upper grades, and then I just kinda taught at Union Center and I got, I went to Enning N. So you know the s- you know the public school system. Yes. 25:43 Do you, has that been helpful to you, Governor? Oh yeah, I think so. Uh, of course I had, yeah, my wife, I had sister-in-laws, my mom was a school teacher, Sandy's mom and fa- father, and I was on the school board. 25:58 So all of that gave me a better grounding in the public school system. And plus we had a lot of home schoolers in our area. When I got on the school board in that area, uh, they [laughs] 26:10 I was a- appalled at how disparaging they were toward, the public school system was toward the, uh, home schoolers. 26:18 'Cause I, we knew a lot of home, b- you know, we didn't home school but we knew a lot of families that did, and they're quality, quality people. So in my six years on the s- school board, 26:29 we, we changed, uh, had one more guy that got on the school board that w- uh, and we were, did a lot of work in that angle. 26:38 And, uh, we changed a lot of things in our school district as far as their attitude toward the home schoolers, and went from being very adversarial to very friendly, and even offering them the opportunity to take part in the public school system. 26:54 You know, like, we had a block schedule, and if they wanted to take one quarter of their classes in the public school system, we made that available and, and it worked very well. Now I think it's, I mean, the, 27:08 the lo- the public school lobbies would say that's mission creep, now it's pu- now you can, uh, play sports, things like all that. Uh, but it seems like the, it's the trend, right? 27:22 We've got over 10,000 kids now in the state home schooling. Uh, COVID had some of that, but it also forced a lot of people to dip their toe in the water. Yeah. And it was for some people, it wasn't for some. 27:35 I did it for a year during COVID. Uh, and if I had the time, I would keep doing it, honestly. Uh, 'cause you can mold your, you know, you have control of your o- is, you're master of your domain, basically. 27:49 And- You know, y- who, where'd you get your curriculum? [laughs] I did, I got the Ron Paul curriculum because it was cheap. [laughs] The, uh- His was cheap. 27:59 [laughs] Well, it wa- I thought maybe it'd be overtly political. It wasn't though? It was, it wasn't. Maybe the high school stuff, but this is like second grade math, you know? So it was like a hundred bucks, so. 28:10 [laughs] Wow. You know? That's cheap. I know, it worked. It was great. Uh, but my kid hated me as a teacher 'cause I was- Hm... more like a slave driver really. Like- Well, you're- Again. 28:22 [laughs] He did not have his elementary, uh- Oh... e- e- background. No, but there's, they're very self-resilient children. Yeah. I can say that, so. 28:32 I, I'm curious, be- having been in education and everything, it seems to me like e- every, there's always some fad that comes out of education. 28:39 Well, this is the right way to teach common core, and all these things, and we go down these paths and then like, and then like, oh, oh, you gotta go back to... 28:46 D- I mean, does it, why is teaching, the teaching industry kinda like that? Or why, why do they always come up with these new ways of, uh, just stick with what worked, right? 28:54 I mean, I, I, you know, we're getting back to phonics now and reading in a lot of places. I mean, the basics, right? Absolutely. Yeah. I don't, I don't know why there's just that 29:04 need to have to a- be new and improved when actually we had the best when we were teaching phonics. 29:13 What, when they got rid of phonics and even VOWAK, if you know what that is, which is a form of phonics and a, a shelf where you sound out words. Okay. Um, they could throw something out and I would keep doing it. 29:28 Mm-hmm. Because that's what was best. Yeah. I continued to teach cursive writing. Hm. Um, you, you know, realize if kids don't know how to read and write cursive, they can't read our founder's documents. Mm-hmm. 29:43 And, um, and then the common core- Yes... was totally ridiculous. I always kept my kids, um, you know, practicing flashcards, memorization. 29:55 And in the rural schools we always did a Christmas, we did our own Christmas program. I would write my own plays. I would teach them how to play flute-o-phones. 30:04 I, you know, just, and then they had to memorize, they had to speak. Hm. And I tried to get them, give them as many experiences as I possibly could. So I really- You-... combined all my art, PE, everything... 30:17 you were kinda rebel then, weren't you? You weren't following the ki- the... [laughs] Well, I- Well, they had a little more independence out in those one-room classrooms. Yeah. [laughs] People policing them. 30:26 Well, that's interesting to me 'cause micro schools are kind of a return to that too, right? It might not be a, a government supported or just like a, a little shed out in the middle of nowhere on the hill. Um, 30:41 but you've got kinda the same concept. You've got multi- multi-age, different levels of-... uh, educated kids working in the same place, learning off each other, things like that. Mm-hmm. 30:52 So I'd imagine in 100 years, none of the way we, with the internet, AI, like nothing looks the same on how we're educating. We don't, in my- I don't think we need these massive brick and mortar places. 31:03 At least that's not where it seems to be headed. But, uh, well, we would, the listener might be wondering why we're, we're not really, we have the debate coming up- Yeah... 31:13 and we're, uh, so we're, we're kinda holding back some tough questions for the debate. [laughs] But you, it'll be the third one, um, and the last one. The, is that pretty, like, 31:27 this, this one that we're doing is in front of 300 people, so it's kind of a different animal. But is that kinda nerve-wracking, like, uh, just on a human level? 31:35 Like, you're in front of the, under the lights, things like that. Does, uh, does it ever get not nerve- do you ever not get nervous? I would be kinda sweating every time, I think. 31:47 Well, yeah, the, the debates are a different animal. I mean, I've, I've gotten, uh, more and more comfortable s- with public speaking. You know, if I can get up and talk to people and talk about something you relate to, 32:00 totally different when you've got three guys that are sh- got their s- sights set on knocking you down, and to be in that kind of an environment. 32:09 And but even that's been a growing experience for me, because I think, you know, uh, uh, the more I've thought about that, the more I think, "Well, that's good." I've, uh, uh, 32:21 we've got three guys that are trying to convince the state that we're in bad shape, and I'm the governor and I've been there for two sessions, and I've, we've, we've got a record of results, you know, some 32:38 huge accomplishments. I mean, that's just the way it is. 32:43 And it wasn't because I'm, you know, some miracle worker, but I do know how to put, bring people to the table, and I know how to build relationships and, and bring people together and put the right people in the room and have the conversations. 32:59 And we've seen that a number of times, and even when we're faced with a special session on prison, and to have three camps and three other candidates even at that time that were lobbing bombs at me, 33:13 uh, that were trying desperately to keep me from getting a win on that. And I, I, I say that openly because it was, they didn't do a g- very good job of hiding it if they were trying to. 33:27 Uh, uh, and you know what I'm talking about. And so you think about that, to have three camps in the legislature that were, that were doing the bidding in s- Yeah... 33:39 in some ways for that group You got those forces working against you all at the same time... 33:42 and still be able to bring enough consensus and, and, and whack enough moles that we took every argument away from them by the end of the day and, and, uh, and got it across the finish line. I think 33:59 that's, that was the, the final leg i- in my decision-making process of whether I was the right guy to run for governor or not. And once that happened, I thought, "Yeah, I've got this." Hmm. 34:12 Uh, we'd come a long way as far as calming the waters in the state with, with the tribes and with the press, and I don't know how many people confirmed that to me, is it's just like things have settled down. Yeah. 34:27 And, uh, so I really feel, 34:33 I, I, I'm c- I know that if we wouldn't have made that decision collectively, my wife and my family and I, if we didn't really think that we were the right, that I was the right choice to continue to lead the state. 34:45 It's, uh, what? Six, six weeks from now? No. Or less now. 40-some days. 40-some days? Yeah. Well- It was six weeks on Tuesday. We're sitting here on Thursday. Yeah. There's a lot to- Okay... 34:57 a lot to get done between now and the- Yeah. There is a lot to do. I mean, what, what other, what other events are you at, besides, uh, we have a debate next week, but what's kind of, what- Oh, you know, debates. 35:08 There'll be fundraisers. Mm-hmm. Um, obviously- Lincoln Day dinners. Oh, yeah. Lincoln Day dinners. Yeah. The Lincoln Day dinners. Like tonight. We're, we're going to Mitchell tonight. Yeah. What are they serving? 35:19 [laughs] Food. Food. [laughs] Yeah. Well, who has the best Lincoln Day dinner? Bead County. Okay. [laughs] [laughs] And I say that without hesitation. We get, we get Loud America steak tips every year at Bead County. 35:31 Oh, that sounds good. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds good. Loud America. Murdoch show up for that usually? I don't know. I don't think he- I bet he usually does. I bet he does this year. Appreciate your time. Yeah. 35:41 Thank you, guys. Got to, got to see you- Yeah... twice today, so- Mm-hmm... that's some, that's some, uh- Yeah. 35:48 Last time, w- well, no, it wasn't last time, but a few times ago, you'd just, you'd ju- just, just been riding a motorcycle when I saw you. Yeah. Enning. Enning. Yeah. That was with the brands. 36:02 I'd written a story about the branding iron, and you were mad about it, remember? Yeah. [laughs] I remember. What about the branding iron? Yeah, you were- I wrote about state co-... mad at me. 36:10 [laughs] Go, uh, public officials getting state commissions. Oh, yeah. [laughs] Yes, that was a bullshit thing. Yeah. 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Uh- Thanks to, uh- The governor... governor and, uh, first lady for coming in. The governor. What, what do English people mean when they say governor? 38:24 Governor. Is that just anybody, like milord? I think, well, didn't we have a, a signer of the Declaration of Independence that was, uh... 38:34 [laughs] Well, we don't have to care that much about the royals, but, uh- [laughs] No, we don't. Uh, but it must have been something different than the way we mean it. Okay? I don't care. You know, I wonder- [laughs]... 38:49 those status. Is it how many, how many kids... How many, how many people in the, in the country do you think know what status means? You think that just means like- I would say- I know what a state is... fewer than 25%. 39:04 Do you think, uh... Do you think they know the United States is a state? A nation state? No. Yeah. So, well, Governor, uh, big debate Monday. Yep. 39:20 Uh- Had to kind of avoid anything of substance with them, 'cause we don't wanna have them practicing on us. Yeah, that's exactly right. A pre-debate, uh, with the, one of the guys asking me questions. 39:34 Don't wanna stray anywhere near the questions. A lot of pressure. Should we do the therapy hour here? No. [laughs] Okay. Our listeners aren't gonna give a shit about that. Well, some of them that are there. 39:45 [laughs] So... Anyway, you were, uh... You had an interesting day. They met you. You were, uh, with the Department of War up at DSU. Yeah. Yeah? The Department of... I shouldn't... 39:59 I didn't ask them what they think about the name change. I should have. What do you think about the name change? I like it. Do you? Yeah. I don't know if I like it. I like it the old- It's what it used to be called. 40:12 Yeah, that's true, but it's all about defense, you know? Play defense. Uh, a good offense is a good defense, so I think defense would work. But yeah, so they were Senator Rounds, uh, 40:30 Dakota State University, basically showing the Department of War all the MAD Labs and the SCIF that they have up there, like the highest security clearance stuff. Uh, there's some obviously workforce development. 40:44 It's a pitch for, for the senator. He's, you know, he's in an election, I guess. You bring the diplomats back and show them around and... 40:53 But the, sort of like the practical real thing happening, uh, is trying to get long-term commitments from the military to use these things, right? They have, 41:07 uh, Department of Homeland Security is sponsored, uh, the Sioux Falls facility they have, uh, going. Uh, they're trying to get the Department of War to get the, uh, Army to do that too. 41:20 There's some bells and whistles that come with that. So that's what they were doing. We got the exclusive on that. It's gonna publish Monday morning. Um, it's about a half-hour interview I did with a 41:35 bunch of really powerful, smarter people than me- Yeah... looking at me. 41:40 So it'll- So does this, so does this mean, like, we, if we had all this, we have all this stuff here, the SCIFs and all that, they, there is one for Sioux Falls, right? Yeah, well, that... 41:50 DSU has MAD Labs, which it's all about cybersecurity and quantum computing and trying to stay ahead of the ChiComs and the Russians. 42:00 Well, that's where I was going here is if we get this stuff in Madison and Sioux Falls, are we gonna start seeing a lot more Chinese tourists? And I use, and I'm using air quotes here, tourists. Uh, what do you think? 42:14 They'll send spies? Yeah. Is that what you're saying? Right. I, I don't know. They'll start buying up homes around these things. I don't know. The, uh, the bow tie camera. 42:23 [laughs] Reminds me of, like, Simon Garfunkel's son. Uh, I don't know, but it all kind of plays into the governor's, like, cybersecurity now. 42:39 National defense is the new economic development front. Uh, I didn't bring that up to these guys. I didn't have, uh, enough ti- time to continue to, uh, ask just a limited amount of questions. 42:53 But if I could ask one more question, it would have been about data centers because it was all about artificial intelligence and, uh, how that's going to be a big part 43:05 of, of what works alongside the brains, the human brains that DSU is cultivating. Uh, just the skiff and 43:15 the skiff in Madison, I believe is sponsored by like all four major agencies of the military. Um, I might be, I think I'm right on that. One of like nine colleges that have that. 43:34 But in Sioux Falls, what's underway, I think that's up on like Sanford sports complex area, right? Uh, that only has the one sponsorship Homeland security. I wonder how that got there. Yeah. I wonder. It got expedited. 43:50 Didn't know anybody that worked there or anything. Right. Um, so yeah, I don't know. It's, I went to that, uh, modern munition systems or modular munition systems 44:05 ribbon cutting in January where they're building warheads and stuff. Uh, like that kind of plays into it. 44:13 Uh, what I thought was super interesting to me was that the thing Senator Rounds was talking about DSU and I, uh, President Griffiths was also addressing it like, um, 44:27 just the advanced science, you know, like these guys are so much smarter than we are. Right. It's almost intimidating really. Like I would fail quickly and get booted out of a program like that. But, uh, 44:41 Rounds was governor when SURF was sort of like conceived and that's where like quantum computing and quantum physics is kind of what SURF is doing. Well, it is what SURF is doing. Dark matter, stuff like that. 44:56 Like that's going to be incorporated into warfare at some point if it isn't already. And, uh, I asked the Senator if he like knew that that's where that would go. Uh, he said what they, 45:12 what they knew was that it would be like workforce development and helping South Dakota stay relevant and stuff like that. With the lab and all the, he was a big proponent of that. 45:20 I think he, uh, can't remember if that started with Janklow and then he kind of handed the, the idea off to, to Rounds and, um, but I, uh, but Rounds was definitely was a big proponent of that and no doubt got some funding through the legislature and you know, so. 45:35 Yeah. Well, it's pretty wild. Like they're looking for God basically in them mountains. It's like dark matter, uh, theoretically. I mean, I'm not a scientist, but I mean, 45:48 it might not be what's happening in the Black Hills, but there are places like counterparts to surf where like something goes wrong. Like we could all into a black hole and we're all gone. 45:59 You know, if you believe in, uh, that or understand that kind of science or whatever, like hope they know what they're doing. Yeah. I hope they know what they're doing. 46:09 Well, they look for like God particles and stuff like that. It's pretty wild. Uh, all right here in them hills. So, uh, what I felt like that was going to lead into something else though that, uh, um, oh yeah. 46:24 So Brian Banks, speaking of, you know, Senator Rounds so much, he's in an election year and he's, uh, 46:34 I mean, he's a Republican, so he's the odds on favorite and he probably doesn't feel like a ton of pressure because he, I mean, he has a primary Justin McNeil, uh, but it looks like he didn't really raise any money. 46:47 And I think he even said on our show that he's not going to raise money because he's pretty absolutist if that means you're beholden to people. But Banks raised more money than any non-Republican candidate for Senate 47:02 since Tim Johnson's last in one quarter, uh, since Johnson's last election. Is that impressive? Yeah. I mean, that's- For sure... that's Herseth, uh, Sheryl Johnson. 47:19 Who are the, who are the other Democratic candidates back? Well, Herseth wasn't a Democratic candidate for Senate. Oh, no, no, you're right. Uh, 47:29 maybe it's just any federal candidate because she was listed in the information. Hmm. So, um, anyway, and then Julia Bedard, he's in the race too. Uh, what else happened this week? 47:47 Well, you're talking, speaking of the, of munitions and such, the, uh, this, uh, drama that's been playing out in Igloo, um, wrote a story about that in terms of the guy who got the, the, the pill box. 47:58 Have you ever seen these things? These, uh, down in- No... out, outside of Edgemont, these old army munitions depot, hundreds of like pill boxes. This is like- And they were-... 48:09 the very far Southwest corner of the state. Correct. I may have gazed upon them once or twice. I've seen them, I've seen them from the air when I was out there doing a story on uranium mining. 48:22 Jay Pickthorne and I got on a plane and we flew around and looked at the mines. We could also go, you could also see the, the, the, uh, munition, old, old munitions. 48:31 So anyway, this company from California bought this, bought them all out. They were abandoned in the 1960s by the army. And, uh, then they've been refashioned as survivalist places. And so- Right... 48:41 anyway, but there's been a lawsuit because the company that owns them kicked, kicked the guy out. He's like, you're, because he was brandishing a firearm. But anyway, that got resolved. 48:51 Well, almost got resolved, but it, it, uh- Originally the, uh, the guy was saying that, uh, I n- I should never have been kicked out, and the court agreed with him saying that the lease was bogus, but the Supreme Court said no, the lease is good. 49:06 So anyway- Hmm... having to do with munitions. Still a private... So it's a private, very private thing now. Yeah, it's private now. It's been all acquired privately. 49:18 So basically somebody bought this thing, turned them into Airbnbs. Basically what happens is you buy a shell. It's like if you were to buy a, over, you know, one of, one of these condos that are o- that are being built. 49:31 You buy- you're just buying the shell. Yeah. So you're just buying... You can either buy or lease. This guy had a 99-year lease. 49:38 Uh, and then you're s- you're just buying a shell, and then you have to outfit it out yourself. Now, the company wi- help, will help you do that- Yeah... uh, for a price, but- So he had a gun in there. 49:48 No, you can ha- you can keep firearms in there. You can keep firearms in your... I mean, what kind of a survivalist community would you be if you can't have firearms? 49:55 But you just can't, you couldn't be, like, brandishing them out in public unless you're at a designated shooting area, which apparently they have. 50:04 This guy got in a fight with one of the other people who live there over the dogs, and apparently took out the gun on the dogs or something, so. Did he shoot the dogs? No. Well, 50:15 then giving him the boot seems a little harsh. I don't know. I get the sense maybe reading between the lines- Did he point it at him? 50:23 I don't think, I think that would be, at that point, I think you escalate from brandishing to actual... I think that escalates that, but reading between the lines, I suspect that maybe there were, there was other issues. 50:35 Like, the guy had a history of maybe not being a great c- community. I mean, if you're gonna live in a sur- survivalist community, you all kinda wanna get along. HOA. So how close are these things together? 50:48 Uh, they're pretty close. So you gotta live with, you got neighbors. You got neighbors, yeah. You're not, you're not out on- And they're probably freaking weird. [laughs] They're probably freaking weird. 51:00 Well, yeah, I, I mean, so yeah, you're not out on an a- acreage on your, in your own little compound there. You're, uh, you're in a community of people who are living in- How long did the first-... bunkers... 51:09 company own these things here? Uh, it's, I remember it's been a few years now. Uh- It's pretty resourceful to see those old things and be like, "I know what I'm gonna do." Yeah. Turn a profit. 51:21 [laughs] I'm gonna find the w- the most unique people in the world, in America, and see if they wanna move to Edgemont- Yeah... South Dakota and live in a hole, live in the ground. 51:33 [laughs] So this guy, uh, this guy who bought h- or leased his, uh, showed up in July of 2020. That's when he got, signed his lease. What was going on then? Oh, yeah. Yep. Yep. 51:46 I r- I think we mentioned it with the governor. Everybody got weird. Everybody got weird. That was when it was really weird still, July of 2020. Not for us. 51:56 Yeah, a little bit though, because everybody, like, half the people were weird. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. 52:02 Like, we were all dealing with new, learning new things about tendencies of people we previously thought were normal. Yeah. 52:09 [laughs] I remember right at that time, I'd come walking out of the gym, you know, like, a- afternoon after like people would be in their cars, like, staring at you like- Get away! 52:17 [laughs] With like wide eye, and they had their masks on in their cars and- The best one was when I was riding home from Sturgis, and I stopped on Highway 34 right outside of Fort Thompson. 52:30 And I pulled off it just to, like, stretch my legs and have a smoke or something, and the car come by, had two gals in it, and they were, like, wearing masks and leaning away- [laughs]... 52:45 in their car as they drove by at, like, 55 miles an hour. Uh, you could tell they were still trying to, like, g- get as far away from me as possible. I was surprised they didn't go down in the opposite ditch. 52:57 [laughs] That's funny. Yeah, strange times. But anyway, that's when that dude showed up and got his, uh, got his, uh, bunker and- Yeah... you know, so- How big are they in there? I don't really know. 53:09 You could look at some pictures. It's kinda like, uh, they're igloo houses, like, monolithic domes. Yeah. Very efficient. It's, uh, it, it reminds me of one of my, my buddies in high school. 53:21 They had a house that was built, I think, in, like, the '50s. It had a bomb shelter down in the basement, and of course, we converted that into our party room. It was pretty cool, man. Yeah. Christmas lights everywhere. 53:31 We had a- Kinda like this Scouting Lodge? I- i- yeah, except it's, you know, it was more compact a little bit and- Treehouse... it was- But underground... well, it was made outta concrete. You know? It was cement walls. 53:44 So it was, uh, pretty solid. You could party down there because it w- and, like, throw on the music and not, you know, not disrupt other people- Yeah... outside, you know? So it was pretty cool. 53:55 One day the cops showed up. So they noticed. Well, they were looking for some- For some- For some, for some vagrants, and, uh- Were you one of the vagrants? Uh, luckily this time I was not. 54:06 [laughs] They were, like, pretty impressed. You could tell that they were pr- you know, 'cause we had, like... [laughs] They were like, "Oh, man, I wish we had this when we were kids." "This is a cool party pad." 54:14 [laughs] Yeah, you know? Yeah, well, the youth is wasted on the young, you know? So, uh, we got the big debate coming. The night sweat stopped, so I feel like we're prepared. 54:31 So I really appreciate all the candidates coming to it. Uh- We're still compiling questions... if you go to it, if you ha- if you're one of the ticket holders, uh, check your inbox. 54:43 You got directives on what's expected of you, what time you gotta be there, all that. We're gonna have a reception afterwards, uh, open bar sponsored by Americans for Prosperity. Um-[laughs] 55:01 We have ambitions to do a live podcast special edition. Like, it'll be streamed live, likely with video that night as well, right after the debate. So, 'cause we can't just settle, take a win, we gotta pull more levers. 55:20 But I will definitely be having a Buell Distributed product following- Yeah... even on the podcast, because that's how we roll. Hopefully, uh, it's one of celebration and we pulled it off, and not like, 55:34 "Let's get drunk and forget about what fools we've just made of ourselves." [laughs] But seriously, we are in the final stages of compiling, uh, questions. I have gotten some from our listeners, appreciate those. 55:45 I'm doing my best to kind of f- f- uh, use those. Um, and sometimes, you know, we have to figure out nuanced ways to try to get candidates to answer a question. 55:57 But, so- If, if you suggest a question, try to think about if the answer is yes or no, it's not a good question. Yeah, you've gotta kinda... You know, if you, if you have a... 56:06 If it's a yes or no question, then you have to ask, you have to have a why with it. You know, why do you, do you believe this and why? 56:13 Uh, but yeah, so send, send them to me, Jonathan, J-O-N-A-T-H-A-N, @theDakotaScout.com. We had a big... Well, our front page story is, uh... 56:27 You know, Sioux Falls Live is helping us with this debate, and, you know, we share content with them, and we had a good story of theirs. We put it... 56:34 It was good enough where it was on the front page of the paper, uh, about the, the hay farmers sending their bales down to Nebraska after a, a fire. The, the big, the big headline was Neighborly. 56:51 Last night I realized we missed a great opportunity for a, a better headline. Hay neighbor. [laughs] I literally like out loud was like, "Damn it." [laughs] We missed the opportunity. [laughs] Hay neighbor. 57:08 [laughs] So hay neighbor. That would've been great. That would've been pretty good. Hay neighbor. So, well, thanks to June Sleep Systems, Buell Distributing. Uh, thanks to all the sponsors of the debate. 57:20 We've got the corn folks, we've got the soy folks. We've got Halman Insurance, Market Beach, Mitchell Tech, Poet, AFP covering the booze. Good job, AFP. 57:38 Is that all of them? I think so. Surely we, uh, hit them all there. If we didn't, I'm sorry. [laughs] Uh, we're also having the mayoral debate. We announced that, May 5th. Uh- Ascend, Ascend Financial. Ascend. 57:56 Uh, they're a regular advertiser as well. Chris and those folks, good folks over there, so thanks to them. We've got Sioux Falls Insurance and Crazed Minds. News tips welcome. Thanks. 58:11 [outro music]
