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Let me grab my car keys and we'll roll. 1:17 Are we still going to that new bar downtown? Yeah, it's supposed to be fun. Lexi, give me driving directions from home to downtown bar district. Autocorrect. Suggest Uber. Pick up home. Drop off downtown bar district. 1:29 No, I'm driving. Suggest the Metro Bus departing in 12 minutes. Huh, point taken, Lexi. We'll grab a ride. If you drink, don't drive. Decide to ride. 1:38 Brought to you in partnership by Anheuser-Busch, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and Uber. This message brought to you by Beal Distributing of Sioux Falls. 1:45 [upbeat rock music] Welcome to The Scouting Lounge, a weekly program of the Dakota Scout newspaper based in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. 2:09 I am Joe Sneve. Uh, I feel like I've been on vacation for a while, but- Yeah, I do. I do too... so you better cr- I bet you do. So you better crack that Beal Distributed product. [laughs] Um, 2:22 but at least you've been sleeping in a Juna mattress. True. True story. Yeah. How's that going for you? Good. Very- Better than tent camping? Means I didn't get in trouble. Oh, yeah, I see what you mean there. 2:32 I see what you mean. But, hey, uh, uh, so thank you to our sponsors and thank you to our special, special guest. 2:39 And like I was saying before we went on air, you may be very, very special, um, if you can pull off- Yeah... uh, a victory in November. Terrence Davis, Secretary of State candidate, uh, in a very, I would say, 2:51 intriguing race, more so than we've seen from, uh, uh, progressive candidates or, or Democrats in South Dakota in a while. But welcome in. We'll get into that. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah. 3:01 So, um, we've never met before, and apologies for not having you in sooner. The primary, which is GOP dominated, sort of sucks all the- It does... all the energy out of... 3:12 You know, we'd have no bandwidth to cover more than just that. And you didn't have a primary, right? I did not. That's correct. So, uh, I guess that's one benefit of having a D next to your name. Uh, so why... 3:23 So l- let's get to know each other, I guess. Okay. So you seem like you're probably, uh, about my age, I guess. Tell... Like, what... Give me your elevator pitch. Yeah, so- D date... yeah, so my name is Terrence Davis. 3:36 I'm 40 years of age. I'm married. Uh, my wife Shawanta is a 20-year veteran of the school, uh, of teaching. Uh, we got a eight-year-old son here who, uh, attends the same school where she teaches at. 3:47 So right now she's at the job right now getting prepared. Yeah, that's all about to start, right. Yeah. Uh, we do have a pet chicken named Lucky. Uh, we used, uh, the chick- You're not eating it? No. Yeah. 3:57 We're not in that business, we are vegan. [laughs] It is Lucky. It is Lucky. It is Lucky. Uh, to harvest eggs and, uh... Yeah, and that's- Just one? Just one egg. We, we had three. Okay. 4:06 So the other two, um, passed away a couple years ago. Did they get- So I've heard they're kind of social animals. Did they get... They are. Yeah. Yeah, they are. 4:13 They're very smart creatures and, and they pull from my schedule and from my quality of life. I, I like an animal going... self-sufficient, smart, and you can just feed it and pet it and, and going about its business. 4:22 Yeah. So it was just a- How did they die? Like pit or something like that? Uh, I would say natural causes. [laughs] Okay. [laughs] They just get old. Yeah. Uh, or like a coyote gets them or something like that. 4:33 No, no, no. Okay. They lock, I lock her up at night. No, no. The, uh... I saw some chi... I was just was in Chicago, and on the way back I saw these, what do you call them? Claighorn? Leghorn chickens? 4:46 What do you call them? Was Claighorn the cartoon or is that what you call them? No, I think it's a Leghorn. Leghorn chickens. Right. But- Those things looked like... They're big? 4:53 No, man, they were in like a back of a truck jammed into these crates. I felt so bad for them. It looked like a, a train scene in the f- in the late '30s in Europe. You know what I mean? Uh, they were like- No. 5:07 [laughs] It was ve- like- I don't- Sorry. They were like... [laughs] I'm trying to visualize a train scene in 1930s Europe. In Europe. Okay. Yeah. You can take it from there. But these things look very, uh, 5:20 captive, I guess- [laughs]... is what you would say. So, uh, free range chickens are lucky. So- They are... so anyway. Yeah. Uh, well- Sounds like-... you are a secretary of state candidate. I am, yes. 5:32 There's a lot of room for improvement there. [laughs] There is. Uh, th- there, there is. Uh, there is. And, uh, you know, improvement, it depends on who you're talking to. 5:42 I, I, I do believe the secretary of state does have a good platform, a good, a good, uh, framework here, but we can always improve- Like a foundation... right. We can, but we can always improve on that. 5:53 And, you know, you can talk about the elections division, business division, and administrative division, so. Well, we're potentially constituents of yours, I guess. Yes. 6:00 Um, and the records, the record keeping, the search ability, the functionality of the website- Absolutely... I mean, that's what I think of when I think of room for improvement. Yep. 6:11 And then it's kind of an intriguing position where it's a sleepy- It's a sleepy one traditionally. Like, people... I mean, it's a good stepping stone, you know, like- Right... 6:19 but we're in an era where election integrity is, like, talked about all the time. Yes. You know, it's kind of a different animal now. It, it is a different animal. 6:27 You know, you literally people are calling themselves, self-proclaimed elections experts. It's, it's starting to become a whole industry in and of itself. 6:34 Uh, as it relates to South Dakota, I, I, I believe we have a real good system. It's, it's probably one of the best in the country. Is it perfect? No. 6:41 I don't think any system will be perfect, but what we have here, uh, is good. 6:47 Um, and going back to about the, the website, that's one of the, the main comments I get from a lot of people since I've been campaigning, the website and also its mobile configuration. 6:55 So when you get online on your phone- Yeah... it isn't necessarily configured to, you know- Yeah... be user-friendly. So yeah. 7:01 Well, the website hasn't had a real major overhaul, I think since Jason Gant was Secretary of State, and that's how many Secretaries of States ago [laughs]? Well, a few. That's been a few. Yeah. 7:10 Was he after Chris Nelson? Yeah, he came after Chris Nelson. Yes. And, and- And then you had Steve Burnett. Uh, yes, Shane Champe Groves. Shanto Craig. Oh, yes. Yeah. So yeah, so we have... 7:20 We've had a series of one-term Secretaries of State. With the, with the exception of, uh, Chris Nelson. That's before- Yeah. Since, since Chris Nelson had- Nelson had... Yeah. 7:30 So there hasn't been a lot, there hasn't been continuity in that office of two, two administrations. He ran for Congress though, right, Chris? Yes. After that. Um, anyway, so, well, I just think you should be able to... 7:43 There's, there's gotta... With AI and stuff, there's gotta be a way when you scan in campaign finance forms to, like, make that stuff searchable. Yeah. Like, I know like there... 7:52 I mean, my cell phone can, can decipher, um, handwritten text. Oh, yeah. Right? Oh, yeah. If I take a picture of a handwritten note, my phone, you know, it doesn't have to be good penmanship really. Yeah. 8:03 So why g- why can't we make these things searchable? Hey, and, and you're right on that. I think AI is a wonderful tool. I mean, but with any tool, like, it has the drawbacks as well. 8:14 I mean, you know, um, I'm all about what is effective, what is efficient, uh, for, for the stakeholders, which is the voters and the legislators, right? 8:22 So, um, I'm open to ideas that make that office a lot more streamlined, effective, and secure, um, paperwork, um, even when it comes to registering to vote. 8:33 Um, I know, um, you know, the former Secretary of State, he was into, um, voter registration online. Yeah. I'm not opposed to that. Uh, do I think we're there? 8:42 I don't think so, and I don't think it's because we don't have the capabilities. I just think it has a lot to do with the mindset. Yeah. 8:48 We have to, we have to demystify this whole conspiracy about elections and everything else. We have a good system. If you can get a 8:57 medical marijuana card with, you know, by sending in a photograph of your driver's license- Yeah... 9:03 I could see a path to, like, integrity in voting registration online, but it couldn't just be like signing a GoFundMe or, like a cr- [laughs] Like a s- like an online petition or something. It can't just be simple. 9:15 Right. It's gotta have multiple steps. And, and there are things that go on behind the scenes when an individual registers to vote. So, like, for me, let's say you're gonna want to push for online voter registration. 9:25 Your initial one would be in person, right? Oh. And then, and any updates or changes, like address or you wanna change who your political party is- Yeah. Right? Yeah. Done online. 9:35 A photo, you know, your driver license, and then it should be done right there on the spot. You take a picture next to, uh, the recent Dakota Scout- [laughs]... with the date on it. 9:45 [laughs] The, the initial one you're saying would be in person because, uh, I, I think now they did the requirement that you have to prove citizenship and all that. Right. Okay. Yeah. Right. 9:52 And, and, and a- and again, I'm open to different ideas, but, you know, that would be a stepping stone in moving in the right direction. 'Cause think about your passport. You can renew online. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 10:01 And people don't... We don't think about that. Well, and you actually have to renew that too. I guess you don't ever have to renew your voter registration if you keep voting, right, and you don't move. That's correct. 10:11 So- Yeah. Well, I mean, there's... Is there... I mean, y- I've watched your campaign- Mm-hmm... uh, like your social media posts and things like that. I like the one where you were in Davis, by the way. 10:22 Did you, did you get, uh, shake a few, like, the forty two hands the other day? [laughs] Yeah. I... You know, that was a really, really nice community. 10:31 Um, been wanting to get down there for the longest for obvious reasons, right? And, uh, it was one guy, I went to his house, and he was actually a registered Democrat, but his wife is a Republican. 10:39 I didn't get a chance to talk to her. She was in the house doing some other stuff, but real nice guy. 10:44 And, uh, one of the things when I've been doing door-knocking, people want me to come in their homes, which, you know, obvious for safety reasons, I'm like, but then again, you know, you get a good feel for a person. 10:53 You know- Yeah... it was, it was a good conversation. I think I talked to him for longer than I should. It was like twenty minutes. Hmm. Yeah, you get- Okay... you can't get to... Well- Yeah... 10:59 I mean, that was the o- if you're doing, like, a formula, that's too much time. Yeah. It is too much time. For a town that size too, right? Size, yeah. 11:06 But, um, no, that's cool, 'cause that's what kinda what it takes, I think. Like Tom Daschle, he's, he was sort of known for driving every gravel road in the state of South Dakota, um, just sort of doing the work. Yeah. 11:18 Uh- Well, I guess what you're, what you're hoping the payoff is, I mean, is you've talked twenty minutes with this guy, and he's gonna go out and tell his friends, right? 11:25 And that's, that's the w- the word of mouth, you know. So- That's part of it. Yeah. Yeah. 11:29 And, and that's kind of the, the feel I had, too, when I went to Philander, knocked on some doors, and the lady got on Facebook, said, "Hey," you know- Right... "Open your door up and talk to this guy. 11:37 You, you know, you might hear something that you wanna hear." So it was a good experience up there. Yeah. Real good experience. Well, the, uh... I would... How long... 11:45 See, I was reading your, um, your literature, and you're, uh, you're a native of Illinois. Is that... That w- And you're a former state trooper? I was a former state trooper in Tennessee. Okay. 11:58 I was assigned to the Memphis district. In addition to that, I was part of the governor's security detail. Okay. So I, I met a lot of people. 12:05 I have a lot of experience, and that really what piqued my interest into politics. Yeah. Uh, 'cause, you know, you got the public consumption, and then you have politics behind the scenes, you know- Yeah. Yeah... 12:15 and then deals being made. I'm not talking anything illegal, anything like that. Right. Yeah, yeah, no. But [laughs] I know what you're talking about. That's just part of the deal. It's part, it's part of the deal. 12:22 And, and it just, you know, and, you know, with the protectees, they're like, "Come on, Terrance, come in here." And I'm like, "Wow." 12:26 You know, sit in there and listen to these people talk about policy and how it impacts people lives, and that's what really kind of spearheaded me moving forward. So yeah. It's interesting to see behind the veil. It is. 12:37 It, it's just normal people. It is... in big jobs. It is. You know? So- Yes. Uh- It really is... it's kinda hard to like, I don't know. Like, when people talk about how they, 12:50 I don't know, y-you vilify people that make money on the stock market. It's like, you know, you could do that too. You know, it's, it... The whole world's there for everybody, right? It, it is. So- Yep... 13:00 um- And, and-... cracking that nut though is tougher- It's hard... for some than others. It, it is. So. You know, in, i-in that line of work, you know, you're trained to protect the person- Mm-hmm... 13:09 and protect their dignity, right? You know, their pants unzipped, they have toilet paper underneath their shoes. I mean, you, you're really protecting an institution. 13:17 And, uh, but also, you're still dealing with a human being. It's still dealing with like, you know, d- imagine dealing with a governor that has to make a decision about, you know, the death penalty, right? Mm-hmm. 13:26 'Cause the buck stop with him unless the courts get involved. That weighs heavy on people. Yep. So- Heavy lies the crown, so. There you go. Uh, and then, so how was it being a police officer in Memphis? 13:39 That could be kinda rough. Um, so it's, in that general area, I mean, you got people's people. Y-you know what I mean? You know, you got your good areas, you got your bad areas. 13:49 Um, you know, you deal with them as they come. I mean, you know, you can see a guy driving a Mercedes-Benz and then you'll have a, a warrant, you know, DUI, suspended license. 13:58 So yeah, I always treated people with respect, dignity, and, and treat them where they were at. Like that, that- Yeah... deal with people like human beings. Yeah. I- So... had to sleep 14:08 at a hotel, a motel on a bike trip there one time, and we had to keep watch because it was a pretty rough neighborhood, but it was the only place we could find a place to stay. 14:17 And the pop machine in front of it was, like, broken open, and there's bars on the windows, so we took two-hour shifts watching the bikes. But it was, uh, I like Tennessee though. T-Tennessee's a good state. 14:31 Um, you know- It's pretty... it's, it's a pretty state, especially when you go out, go out east into Smoky Mountains. Mm-hmm. Um, beautiful people, excellent food, excellent barbecue. 14:39 Um, but again, with any community, you're gonna have its ups and downs. But, you know, my experience is how I treated people. It, it reminds me of, uh, parts of it remind me of the Black Hills a lot. Yes. 14:51 So, uh- I love it out there too. [laughs] So do you live in Sioux Falls? I do. Okay. Yeah. So, uh, before you were a candidate, like, what was, what was your life like before you became public in South Dakota? 15:06 [laughs] Good question. 15:07 So my, before I moved up here, my family and I, we visited quite a few times, you know, Mount Rushmore and the Crazy Horse, you know, Wall Drug, you know, the whole spiel, and we just really fell in love with the state. 15:17 Family-oriented, free, and I know that word free is a very subjective term to a lot of people. Mm-hmm. But it was just different, right? Uh, moved up here, had opportunity to get on with the South Dakota Highway Patrol. 15:29 Um, I got, got part of the class with a reciprocity, you know, for, 'cause of a prior experience. Was, oh, was that the Governor Noem initiative- There you go... 15:38 to make that so it was easier to recruit law enforcement from out- From out- That was, that was actually effective. It, it was effective. 15:44 Um, made a lot of connections, uh, you know, in the realm of law enforcement and went through the training with some good people, and they're still working with them today. So I was assigned to the Sioux Falls district. 15:55 Um, after working there, I decided to transition and get off into, um, some other line of work, so I got into nonprofit, you know, East River Legal Services. Okay. 16:04 Until here recently, a few weeks back, I made a decision to, uh, to leave because working full-time and campaigning full-time, it's- Yeah... is extremely difficult, so. Well, that's public service in itself, right? 16:16 It is. Working for East River. Yeah, it was. So, you know, expert in criminal law, but civil law, dealing with evictions and- Sure... divorces and child custody, that's a different, different mindset. 16:29 And then I would say you have to be pretty sharp to get into that line of work. Uh, y-you really do. And you're working hard too because- Yeah. Yeah... I mean, Nicole worked there, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Um, 16:39 and I guess just like any sort of nonprofit, kinda short-staffed or working harder than you would if you were working at a big-time law firm or something. It's, it's, it's different. 16:49 It's a different, different ballgame, but it's much respect to the people that work there and, um, and I never would've thought about it, but it's, it's a challenge. Hmm. Well, kudos to them. Absolutely. 16:58 'Cause if that didn't exist, it would all be on the county, right? 'Cause everybody has a right to attorneys. Exactly. So- And they choose to have one. [laughs] Yeah. Well, they ought to. Yeah, they ought to. So- Yep. 17:12 What do they say about people that do pro bono? They're the worst lawyer in the room or something like that. Pro bono? Or, uh, uh, pro se. Who represent themselves, right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what's the saying? 17:22 You can do it. No, you can. A fool, a fool has his, has, uh, uh, has his own, is a client of... I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm messing it up. Yeah, we're- It's, you're a fool... we're hitting on all cylinders today. Yeah. 17:36 [laughs] Anyway. Well, it's interesting. I bet you were rooting for Heather Baxter to win that convention, huh? Um, I, I, I won't say that publicly, but I mean, I'll- [laughs] 17:49 But, but I'll say this, I, you know, whoever the delegates selected, I was prepared for either one. Sure. 17:55 I mean, you know, I, I, I did my research on both candidates and, and obviously Delivers here and, you know, can't forget about her. 18:02 And, um, but, you know, the delegates decided who they wanted and, um, and I'm gonna bring it to her, you know. And ultimately depends on the voters what they want, but... 18:10 Well, I think it's, I don't know, it's probably a good strategy if it is a strategy to, uh, I mean, normalcy, I guess. 18:19 Since 2020 we've had, I mean, Monet Johnson sort of conformed, I guess, after she took office because you get in there and you- There's actually rules and laws you have to abide by. Yeah, yeah. 18:30 Like it's not as bad as the, you know, the conspiracy websites will, will have you. Like we are not Arizona Right? Uh- Yeah... we are not Wisconsin. Yeah. So, um- Tell people we're good... 18:43 like, it feel, it feels that way. Yeah, we're, we're good. Well, they, they put some reforms in recently and to, to kind of address some of that, right? I mean, uh, what's the, the, uh, the audits now? 18:54 We never had a, we never- Post-election audit... post-election audit. We didn't have- It was Monet Johnson. Yep, so she didn't go to bat. Yep. Yeah, so- Most people I think would say that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. 19:02 And I, and I think that what we've had in terms of the, the audits we've had since that went into place have generally have shown that everything's been pretty accurate. Yes. Yeah. 19:10 But do you think because everything's been pretty accurate, like, people are the same, like, voices though that, that said they weren't gonna be are... Is that fanning the flames for hand counts? 19:22 Like, they just need to, like, move the goalpost a little bit because they can't admit everything was fine. That's moving it quite a bit, not a little bit. 19:28 [laughs] Well, I mean- Yeah, that's, that's, that's down rolling off a cliff. [laughs] Yeah, but is that a byproduct of, like, things proving to be okay? Like- Well, we can be wrong... people want to be correct- Sure... 19:41 and find a way to- I get what you're saying. Yeah... so just kinda, like, people were still saying, like, the Fauci thing, right? Like, d- quit defending the guy. Like, you know what I mean? 19:49 Like, just, just ad- You don't have to admit you're wrong, just quit moving the goalpost though. Just get off the topic, right? [laughs] So- I, I think-... 19:57 with that hand count thing I think is a product of, like, that- And, and-... human phenomena or whatever. 20:02 And, you know, that was the reason why they got away from that in the first place because they saw that humans can make mistakes and things can happen. 20:10 Hand counting does have a place in elections, it do, but just not as a primary method. I think what we have here with the tabulating machines is a good system, and we can build on top of that. 20:20 With the hand count, are where... Do you mean like a sample? Or, 'cause they're, I mean, they're not gonna hand count an entire election. Right. Right. 20:28 What she's talking about is getting rid of them, 'cause last year she was a supporter of banning tabulating machines. It didn't get through the legislature obviously, and for good, good reasons. 20:37 Um, but what we have going on right now is we're fine, right? I have no issues with hand counting, you know, if we need to do some audits and everything else in, in accordance to law. 20:47 But anything beyond that, I would not support it. And when I win, I will fight against that. You know, 20:53 I was told by somebody in Presho that they voted in the runoff election, and it was literally like there was no little black squares on the side of their ballot that did not look like the regular ballot that we're used to. 21:08 Would that be because they're not using tabulating machines? 'Cause- That would be a question probably for that auditor in that general area. 21:16 'Cause it raised an eyebrow for me when they told me, 'cause I showed, I took a picture of my ballot. So, um, I showed them my ballot, and they're like, "Mine didn't look like that." Yeah. Da, da, da. Yeah. Yeah. 21:31 Yeah, and, and, you know, that's a, that's a good question. But again, you know, that'd be a question more or less for that particular county auditor. Well, it's a tiny county, so- Tiny county... I assume... 21:40 And then I sat on a motorcycle for four hours and thought about that and tried to figure out an outcome that didn't involve someone doing something wrong. Yeah. And I think it was probably 'cause they 21:49 don't use counting machines, but we, maybe we should look into that. Yeah. Now we have to 'cause we just said it. Yeah. But, but again, you know, uniformity is key as well. 21:57 I mean, you know, one part of state shouldn't be doing something totally different than other parts of the state. So- Yeah... I'm a big supporter of uniform. 22:04 Well, people also don't recollect things well, so maybe my source was wrong too. But, um, they were pretty adamant, so, well- Was he sober? [laughs] Uh, yeah, actually. 22:15 It was earlier in, it was early in the day, so hopefully they were. Um, I was, I think. So, 22:22 um, no, you said, like, you know, you're, you're prepared to face either one of them, and I would say that too if I was a political candidate. Yeah. 22:28 But I would imagine not having to face an incumbent kind of maybe earns you two or three points, right? So, um- You wouldn't have. [laughs] And the establishment wanted Monet, where they were 22:42 devastated that she won four years earlier- Right... because she had conformed basically. 22:48 And, um, so now I think you'll have at least some interest or people will be, some folks who are of the more moderate part of the Republican Party- Absolutely... 22:59 you know, might give you a little more consideration than they would have if Monet was there. That's, that's true. 23:05 And, uh, you know, I have had some outreach, I mean, uh, from some Republicans and, um, of course, I, I'm willing to talk to anybody. Yeah. 23:13 I mean, you know, as a Democrat here in the state, and I tell people I sit in the middle of a lot of different issues. I used to be a registered Republican. I don't hide that. 23:20 Um, but I, as a Democrat, we're gonna need their help. Why'd you switch? Uh... Um, I, I just didn't like the direction where things were going. And this doesn't speak to the Republican Party as a whole. Yeah. 23:32 Um, you know, growing up, I grew up in a pretty moderate and Democratic home. 23:37 And, um, when I got part of the governor's security detail, um, I had two candidates, you know, the Democratic one and Republican one, when they were, those were candidates, right? Yeah. 23:47 And it was just my personal interactions with them, how they interacted with me. Okay. And that was- That moved you... moving to, uh, to voting Republican, um, for a while. And, um, here I am. 23:58 So I, that's in the middle of a lot of different issues. I believe in small government, but also I understand government needing to work and help people. I believe in constitutional rights. 24:09 You know, I believe in firearms and all that stuff, but I also believe in people having autonomy as well, so- Yeah... I'm kind of, kind of a weird individual, but you know, here I am. I wouldn't say... 24:18 I think it's weird to be- To want fringes... to like, you know, like, walk into a box. Yeah. Right? I think that's weirder. It, it, it is. And you know, Democrats, when it comes to social programs, I benefited from that. 24:30 You know, I was homeless as a child. I, you know, food stamps and things like that, so I, I get it. Hmm. There's a place. Yeah. 24:39 But I mean, that's what I guess government's for, so we don't have to sit at our own house and stare at our rocks. And protect our rocks all day so we had a government to enforce rules. Mm. 24:51 I mean, that's state of nature stuff, right? So, um, but I don't know. I kinda wish everybody would just abandon the two-party system 'cause it's, 'cause we're all caught in the middle now. The people that aren't so... 25:03 The parties are so extreme, or at least the m- the people you hear from the parties every day online, there's no compromise. There's no... They don't want, say they, but you know, it feels like 25:18 the mouthpieces out there don't really want, they, they don't wanna, like, bring people together on an issue or concede a point. 25:27 Um- I, you know- And then you get to these, or you get to Pierre or DC and it's the same thing. It's gross. In, in, I can see DC 'cause that's a different animal, right? It's a different type of money up there. 25:37 But, you know, on a, on a state like this where we just under a million people, right, that can really have damaging effects on the people that you're supposed to be serving. So 25:47 we don't always have to agree on everything, but at the end of the day, we have to come to the table and figure out some kind of solution because you're, you're hurting your constituents at the end of the day. Yeah. 25:55 Your arms are concerned, so. Yeah, here, in here it's like the, the, the, the most vicious political warring is taking place in the Republican Party. You know, it's Republican Party's factionalism there. 26:06 And the, the Democrats, while even though they were s- sort of small number of legislators- Yeah... 26:10 they kind of proved they were there when some votes were needed at times for- They, they, they could still have an effect. Yeah. Some of it. They, they are very effective. They are very effective. 26:20 But again, I mean, I'm always of the mindset we need more of a balanced government. I wouldn't wanna live in a state that is predominantly Republican, right? 26:27 And I don't wanna live in a state that's predominantly Democrat. I, I like to hear both sides of the argument. Yeah. Right? Because the Republicans have a point and so do the Democrats. 26:36 Yeah, there's not a monopoly on good ideas- There isn't... for either party. So, uh, sometimes there's no good ideas from either party. Um- That's true. Yeah. 26:44 And then you, like, then you go back to the aforementioned Libertarians. [laughs] Yeah. Maybe they got, maybe they got the good ideas. [laughs] Yeah, well, 26:51 I don't, I question someone's, like, libertarianism if they're in the Libertarian Party. Mm. Right? So lowercase L libertarian. Mm. Capital L Libertarian, get, you need to do a little more thinking. 27:05 [laughs] So if you're really a nonconformist, why are you having a [laughs] go convention with eight people out in Chamberlain? [laughs] That's cold. Yeah, well, that's true. It is true. It is true. Uh, I don't know. So 27:20 you were a, a law enforcement. So that, um, were you a law enforcement officer in 2020? I was. Did that, how was that? That'd be weird. You're, you're a Black guy. So, like, with all that that summer- Yeah... 27:35 that's, that'd be a weird spot to be in. Um, y- you know, you, you do your job. I mean, at the end of the day, you, you do your job. Um, you know, I, I try to focus on what's in, in front of me. 27:48 I mean, you don't ignore what's going on around you, but- Okay. You feel it? Like, is that, like, your place in the world, your perspective- Yeah... 27:55 being on a police force, there's just this, like, tinderbox of, like, social discourse and disruption. Yeah. Yeah. But at the end of the day, you have a job to do. 28:04 And, and again, it goes back to me treating people with dignity and respect. Um, and you know, your personal views and stuff like that, that it's tucked in your pocket somewhere deep. Uh, but remain objective. 28:16 That's the key. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, uh, thanks for your service a- as law enforcement officer. Appreciate that. During your career there. Yeah. 28:23 'Cause it, you know, it became, I think that was another aper- example where there was a lot of ground to give on both sides of that national dialogue and nobody wanted to give in, you know? 28:34 Everybody, everybody wants to be right. Everybody wants to be right. Mm-hmm. And there was so much that everybody could learn and, like, improve from there. Yeah. 28:41 Uh, so anyway, hopefully calmer heads will prevail here eventually, so, uh, we shall see. Do you, have you done any events with Heather? Are you doing anything like- Um, I have not. 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Man, this whole... It's two different, two different stories. One's a good one, one's a bad one. 31:41 So first story, um, when I was in high school, m- my friend and I, we left, um, cross-country practice. He was a driver, and I was a front seat passenger. We had our seat belts on. 31:53 And granted, he was bobbing in and out of traffic, you know, driving pretty erratically. There was a guy in an unmarked vehicle, police officer. And he pulled us over, and he put a gun on us. 32:06 That was my first, uh, encounter with law enforcement. Not a great one. Yeah, not a great one. And then after I graduated, the second story, uh, with law enforcement, um, young, didn't have car insurance. 32:19 I was involved with a fender bender, which I was at fault, and, uh, he elected not to write me a ticket for not having proof of insurance. He wrote me for following too close but not for the insurance, and I was shaking. 32:30 You know, he, he visually saw me shaking and actually scared and, you know, dealing with whatever the hell was gonna end because of my previous experience. Yeah. 32:37 And, uh, and the guy was real nice and, uh, and as time progressed I was like, "You know what? You know, this guy right here is the reason why I probably need to get into law enforcement." 32:47 Also, the guy that I encountered the first time, I don't wanna be like him. Yeah. Because, you know, was he right for pulling us over? Absolutely. But, um, him pulling a gun on us wasn't. 32:58 And- Some good people don't do it. Right. It creates a void- Right... that can be taken advantage of. That's exactly right. Yeah. 33:04 So it left, it left an impression on me, so that's one of the reasons why I got into law enforcement. And, uh, it's just a very honorable position, I think. Yeah. So. Well, um, 33:14 we need law enforcement so we don't have to sit and look at our rocks all day. Anyway, uh- Good law enforcement, I think... good law enforcement. Yes. Yeah, and I mean- Most of them, most of them, majority of them are. 33:24 Yeah. It, uh- Yeah... I think you wouldn't wanna live in a world without law enforcement protecting our interests, so, um, but you should be able to protect your own too while you wait, I think, so. Yes. 33:37 You have a, the, speaking of Secretary of State, don't they hold the records for the guns, for the- Concealed carry... concealed carry? Yes. The Secretary of State does issue handgun permits. 33:48 Um, they don't- They don't need them anymore, though. [laughs] Well, you don't. See, but if you wanna go to other states, I would suggest you get them, but yeah. 33:55 So you, sheriff department, you get your background and your fingerprints done, and then the information is conveyed to the Secretary of State's office, and- Yeah... you get your handgun permit. 34:03 Where, didn't, at The Argus, didn't you guys always try to get the rec- get those records for a database? You were gonna dox gun owners? Is that what you were gonna do, Jonathan? 34:13 No, we actually did get them at one point be- and then they, and then they, uh, uh... Didn't I think they put them, they, they passed a law- They sealed them... you can't give... Yeah. So I think they did. 34:23 I'm trying to remember this because I wasn't involved in this particular episode, but I think they did get them, um, prior to the, prior to the July 1st going into effect or whatever. 34:33 So I'd have to go back and read some of that. But yeah, it, it did cause a lot of outrage, as I recall. Well, yeah, I'm trying to think, like, what would be the noble reason to get those records? 34:43 Not that you need one, 'cause it's public information, but, like, what's the benefit? I- You remember what your bosses were thinking then? 34:51 Yeah, I think just because it's a, it was a record that was gonna be closed off, they just said, "Well, let's get the records- Yeah... before they're closed off," right? Um- You could chase some interesting stories. 34:59 Like, if you found some anti-gun person out there who had a concealed carry, you could write a good story about that. [laughs] Like some people- Well, I think, I think they ended up writing a story. 35:07 I'll have to go back and see what they wrote, 'cause again, like I said, I wasn't involved in that particular- Well, I don't care... I was a city hall, uh, reporter at that time. Oh, okay. So it wasn't you. It wasn't me. 35:15 You weren't, you weren't trying to dox the gun owners? Well- [laughs]... they would've found that I had one. [laughs] Yeah. Well, uh- I'm a big supporter of them. 35:25 I, I, I, you know, Second Amendment, but also there's other parts of the Constitution as well, so- Yeah... you know, it's not just the Second Amendment, but I, I support all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Or First, Second. 35:35 Or First. I'm a big fan of no quartering of soldiers myself, so I'm sorry. I would probably open my door, but not if it was by force. No, the, the Fourth Amendment, uh, is probably- Huge. Oh, hell, yes... 35:47 you probably had to know that one quite at the, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Am I being detained? Yeah. [laughs] Oh, yes, you are. No. [laughs] I'm not showing you my ID. Yeah. 35:57 I see the Audit the Cops videos sometimes on- online. They suck you in, and they tell you if the cops are doing a good job of following the law or not. Yeah. 36:06 Uh, it's gotta be tough, 'cause sometimes people are just shitheads and they don't need to be. It would go smoother, um- They're just-... they're just trying to get a rise out of the cops, I think. 36:15 It's probably good payday if you really get them going. [laughs] Well, but, uh, again, it falls back on that officer's training, right? You know, at the end of the day, he's still, or a hired trained professional, right? 36:25 And I, I've been in situations where, you know, I kinda wanna flip somebody up down and shake them up real quick. But at the end of the day- Yeah... what'd you, you're losing your liberty, right? You can go to jail. 36:34 Right. You can get sued. You can get decertified. I mean, it's a lot of things connected to that, so- Yeah... it's not worth it. 36:40 Well, and usually if some individual in the public's talking to a police officer, it's not a great day. Typically. Right. Generally speaking. 36:47 If even if they're there to help, something else is going on that is bad, right? [laughs] Yeah. That's true. So it's usually not a great day if you're talking to a police officer. 36:55 I used to be, like, kind of afraid of, like, going to the courthouse 'cause it would trigger me 'cause I got, like, you get in trouble when you're a kid or minor in consumption or something like that. 37:04 [laughs] And it took a little bit after becoming a reporter not to sort of have that, like, nervous energy. 37:10 And my last name starts with an S, so every time I had to go to court, I had to sit there till they get through all the names. Oh, yeah. And then your anticipation and fear builds the entire time. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. 37:21 Anyway, um- You know? So, well why do you, um... Like you'd said, you, you worked security detail and that kinda got you into politics. Absolutely. 37:31 Why run for secretary of state and not, let's say, county auditor or- Yep... um, you know, maybe treasurer or one of those other sort of constitutional offices. Public school, school and public lands. Yeah. 37:46 That's, that one talked about sleepy. Yeah. No- nobody knows about that, schools and lands commissioner. I mean, that's, that's a constitutional office. Yeah. You know? And it's on the ballot this year. 37:54 Um, why the secretary of state? You know, I started doing research about this office the latter part of '24. So we're looking at October, November, and December. 38:03 I, uh, made contact with somebody, uh, in the Democratic Party, and we met January the 3rd of '25. And I know that 'cause I still got the email. So we met downtown here. 38:12 I had my whole blueprint printed out, what I wanted, my goals for the office and everything else. And, um, it kinda went from there. Why the secretary of state? 38:23 In person, I think it's one of the most important seats in state government. I mean, if you're running for a federal office, you're running for governor, you're running for secretary of state, 38:32 you gotta go through this office. You can't get on the ballot, right? Yeah. Handgun permits, notaries, you know, you think about the state seal. You know, the state seal, I look at it as what, a family crest. Yeah. 38:42 It represents the past, the present, and hopefully the future, right? Um, of course elections and then businesses. Yeah. Businesses are incredibly important to any community. 38:53 And pulling back on my law enforcement experience, I worked in communities where jobs weren't adequate and, you know, people are gonna resort to things that are not kosher to survive. Why is it legal? You understand it. 39:05 So having a business, businesses, strong businesses in the community I think is incredibly important. And the secretary of state is really that conduit for safe communities and economic development, far as I'm concerned. 39:16 Well, it is the first sort of thing you have to do when you start a business. It is, yeah. File a piece of paper with the government. We just had to do that. Although journalism, that is. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. 39:28 Well, um, a lowercase L libertarianism. [laughs] Like it's really just so you can track who's paying ta- like- Yeah... should you be taxed or not. Yeah. Right? So does the secretary of state have anything to do with, um, 39:43 like, uh, vital records, like health records? Do they keep those or is that all- No... that's all like equalization and deed, deeds. Department of Health. Well, I mean the county... 39:53 I would say the county's connected to that and I, I don't wanna say the Department of Health. Don't, uh, wouldn't quote me on that, but- Yeah... you know, secretary of state will have to deal with that. Yeah. 40:00 Well, it's a... So it's basically like secretary of state's like the city clerk but, uh, for a statewide city clerk. Yeah. Right? It's a serious office. Yeah. 40:07 I mean, you know, I just learned a few weeks ago that, um, at session, to be in a session, the secretary of state actually opens up session and today vote for speaker of the house. Yeah. 40:16 So what that reflects is continuity of government. 'Cause they're third in line, right? Number four. Four. So it's governor, lieutenant governor- Uh, speaker of the house... speaker of the house, and secretary of state. 40:28 Yeah, something around that. Yeah. It's number four. They can't all fly together. [laughs] Yeah. Well, so, um, school's starting. Your campaign's just kinda heating up. It is. Primary season ended. 40:42 That's when kinda things pick up for you. Absolutely. Do you, uh... I mean, do you have fundraising goals? Can you-- Do you have to out-- Do you expect to even be able to outraise a Republican candidate? 40:57 You know, uh, uh, my goal is to raise enough money to reach the masses. And whatever that looks like, you know, I can't put a dollar amount to it at this point. 41:07 Um, but, uh, my recommendation to people is, you know, if you can't donate, at least get out and vote. Do not, you know, write off the midterm election. 41:16 Do not write off these constitutional positions, uh, especially secretary of state. We-- You really need somebody in there that has understanding of the Constitution, right? 41:26 Law enforcement background, you know, a master's in public policy and working on a doctoral in policy and law. So this is really serious to me. Mm. 41:34 And I actually did a lot of research into this office, even looking at other states. 41:38 You know, comparing and contrasting, you know, Democratic candidate in a predominantly Republican state, even a Black candidate, how they do in predominantly white states. 41:47 And based on my studies, you know, they do equally as well or even exceed. Yeah. I'm looking more the exceeding part. [laughs] So you're really peeling the layers back. I, I, I, I did. 41:57 I mean, you know, I said I did research, I really did. Um, you know, looked at my own background. Do I qualify for this? You mentioned treasurer. 42:04 Well, I don't have a background in accounting, so it wasn't a good fit for me. Mm-hmm. Um, and you have to see yourself in an office, I believe. It has to be a good fit for you personality-wise. 42:16 This office is about function. It's about adhering to the Constitution. It's a constitutional office for a reason. Following rules. Following the rules and, and that's, I spend- You seem like a rule follower. 42:27 Well, I mean, I'm not perfect by any means. But I mean, but if it's in black and white, I'm gonna follow it. And if it needs to be changed, we're gonna look at that, right? 42:34 Um, but protect people's privacy and constitutional rights. So this is, it's very serious to me. So, you know, my challenger, Heather Boxer, you know, she was running for District 34. She got voted out, right? 42:45 But you're running for two offices. It's not illegal. But why? It's a little weird. It, it is weird. It, you know, and then, and, you know, before you're a candidate, you are a private citizen at first, you know. 42:56 And I'm looking at this, I'm like, "This... Who are you?" Yeah. Well, it's like- Yeah... I think it's interesting she could- she didn't win in her district, but she then... 43:05 I mean, it shows the disconnect between, you know, your, your staunch activist Republican base. Yes. I've- I'd imagine the same is true for, for Democrats in South Dakota. Yeah. 43:16 Uh, the very active versus sort of the casual. Uh, there's a big disconnect between how they see things. How they see things and how government should be. 43:27 And then again, government has its place, but also I respect people's autonomy and their freedoms, right? But, you know, people have the freedom to go vote. 43:34 So you have a choice coming up this November to determine what kind of government you want for yourself moving forward. I think there'll be a real push to move more constitutional offices to the primary only. 43:46 Oh, they're already talking about that. [laughs] Because... And I don't know that that would help your viability. If, if that w- if that were the case- Yeah... 43:54 and there was a primary between Monet and Heather, I think Monet wins. Yeah. And then you lose those three or four points you got- Yeah... by having no incumbent, right? So- Yeah... 44:03 it's a weird place for the Democrats to be in strategically with policy on these things. It, it is. But again, I, I support having, you know, elections fair across the board for everyone. And what does that look like? 44:16 I don't know, right? But that'd be something talking to election experts, the genuine ones, the real ones, right? Uh, you know- The real ones. 44:23 [laughs] I mean, you know, people who actually have spent years in this and not, not trying to make a business for themselves and make a name for themselves, right? 44:31 Um, the lawyers, you know, and then talking to the voters, what do they want? So that's, that's what's important to me. Yep. We all live here too, right? We do. We do. Well, you're... 44:40 You'd be a member, if you get elected, you'd be a member of the election, statewide election commission, right? Is that the, uh- The election board... election board. Yeah. Yeah. 44:47 So the secretary of state actually chairs that board. Yes. Chairs the board. So then they, they, they make recommendations for legislation and things like that. They do. So they, they're very... That's a very active... 44:57 That, that- It's a bipartisan board, too. Yeah, it is a bipartisan board. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So, 45:01 um, well, I mean, is there anything that, off the top of your head, that you could think of that you would wanna, want to, uh- Push for? Yeah. Yeah. 45:09 Um, you know, one of my initiatives, well, the biggest thing for me is voter outreach and educating the public on voting. Mm-hmm. Right? That's incredibly important for me. 45:18 Uh, I can't tell you how many times I run across people that just like, even convicted felons, you can vote here in the state of South Dakota. 45:24 Obviously, there are some parameters that are connected to that, but South Dakota, you can, once you have done it- Once you've served out your- It's high- You've satisfied your sentence... right, you can vote. 45:33 You know, it's- So if you're on parole, that's not- You can't... you can't. You cannot. Right. Okay. 45:36 And that's something that I wanna change, 'cause, you know, if you're on parole, you know, you gotta, you gotta work, you gotta have a place to live, and I think it gives them back their dignity. Mm-hmm. Right? 45:45 It's, it's something to help cut down on recidivism, and that's really the key which ultimately saves taxpayer dollars. Mm-hmm. Um, the other part of it is to youth engagement. 45:55 You know, and South Dakota is not immune to the rest of the country. The country across the board is a decline in youth engagement with voting. 46:02 I tell people, like I didn't start voting until I got in my late twenties, and when I walked out of there, I felt pretty empowered. I'm like, "What have I been doing, you know, all this time?" 46:09 So one of the policies I do wanna push for is, um, pre-registration of 16-year-old licensed drivers with automatic registration upon age 18. 46:18 It's not anything unique to the United States, but it'll be, I think it would be incredibly impactful. Would that be-- Would they pick a party or would it be not affiliated? I'm down for picking a party. 46:28 I mean, again, this is for everybody. I don't... You know, your political leanings, that's, those are personal decisions. I just want people to be engaged and to be informed. Yeah. 46:37 I think that is a, that's a unique idea. I saw you post about it online. My thought was make it non-affiliated- Initially... initially. Yeah. Because a 16-year-old might not have their thoughts quite developed yet. 46:52 And then once you pick a party- You can change it... sometime, you can change it, but sometimes you don't, right? That's true. And then you're kinda like trying to stay right all the time. Yeah. 47:01 Like, people don't like to admit they changed their minds. Yep. Um, but that's intriguing. I think you're gonna get accused of like trying to stack the deck though, esp- as a Democrat. 47:13 Well, I mean- You know what I mean... I, I, and I get that, but, uh, the thing is, it has to go through the legislators and which is a bi- bipartisan coalition up there, hopefully, right? 47:24 Um, I hope they can see past, you know, their own biases. My objective is to make sure people are voting and they're educated on voting. 47:32 That's- I think you would start the bill the way you want it, but have an amendment ready for committee. Yeah. And, and I'm, and, and, and I'm open to that. I mean, you know, I, I don't... 47:40 You know, I tell people, "I don't think I know I have all the answers," and quite frankly, I don't want all the answers 'cause it's quite boring. You, you wanna- Yeah... 47:47 you wanna be able to pick people brains and find good solutions and ideas, but- But if you don't learn anything, you're brain dead. There you go. Right? There you go. So- Yeah. Okay... you can't know everything. 47:57 Patrick Lally told me one time, "If you think you're an expert, you're not, because you've stopped, like, being curious." Yep. So, uh, I think... Well, I have imposter syndrome, as you can tell. Look at me. 48:10 How does this happen? But, uh, got the call back from... Can we break the news here? We can do that. So we're switching our website, right? We're, we're getting off Substack. 48:21 So here's some reader- Oh, congratulations on that. Yeah. Well, thanks. Substack's not what it used to be. Uh, since we started, it was a great partner. 48:28 Um, when we left our old jobs, we knew we couldn't miss a lot of paychecks 'cause we're journalists, and, um, it was a turnkey operation. Jonathan- Turnkey. 48:40 [laughs] Jonathan, it was his sort of find, um, and we were gonna be able to do everything we want to and not have to pay somebody to build something that Substack could do. Email, direct, um, podcast hosting 48:54 You know, just being able to design it in a way that's sort of unique. Um, but Substack's sort of become a social media network now. Yes. Everybody has a Substack. It's also created some issues where I get... 49:08 Like, there's some fringe people on Substack now, more so than there was before. Like, I'm not gonna name any of them, but every-- but once a week I get a text saying, "Is this you guys?" 49:16 And it's some, like, opinion conspiracy thing. And eventually, that site got to shit-talking us, so I think I clarified it was not us. Uh, but 49:28 so I mean, I don't like sort of this kinda confusion some people have about what Substack is, so that's a good reason to leave. Secondly, we knew it would-- we'd come to a point when, um, sort of the f- the, 49:41 the, the contractual model that we have with Substack no longer fits our size. They're taking too much money. [laughs] They're taking too much money. Let's just cut to the chase. [laughs] And, um, 49:54 we're going to a diff-- a new site, a new CMS, um, called Beehive. They do some big-time media outlets like Time Magazine- Oh, wow... some others like that, and it's more of a... 50:11 It's not anybody can just hop on and do it, right? So, um, it had to be a mutually agreed upon ag-agreement, agreed upon agreement. Um, so anyway, that's gonna happen next Monday night. 50:25 So if you're listening to the podcast, um, August twenty-fourth after five PM. So by the time you wake up Tuesday morning, if you don't see a Dakota Scout story in your inbox, check your spam, um, 50:41 because the algorithms or the filters on your email address host might not recognize sort of the DNA of the email. So just, just for our listeners that, um, wanna know what's happening. So we'll also have... 50:56 By the time this podcast comes out, there'll be some news out about this. Um, so anyway, we gotta go put that fire out, though. So, [laughs] uh, where can people learn more about you, Terrence? 51:09 Well, I'm on Facebook, and I also have a website, Davis for, uh, South Dakota. Um, it's- Good website, by the way. Yeah. I, I appreciate that. I was looking through that. Yeah, I, I appreciate that. 51:18 Sometimes these-- some candidates have ones that look like you made it in high school computer science class, but not yours. Yours is good. Well, for the amount of money I spent for it, yeah- [laughs]... 51:26 it, it better have been good. [laughs] No, no, I appreciate that. I, I got some good feedback. You know, when I first made my announcement and someone asked me, "Hey, do you have a website?" 51:33 I'm like, "Yeah, that, that's a weird question." Yeah. He said, "No, it's not, because we normally get people to announce, and there's no website, there's no material." Like, no, like, I put a lot of thought into this. 51:42 So like, you know, Terrence like to do things with purpose- Yeah... and being deliberate about it. So- Yeah... um, I appreciate that. 51:49 But yeah, Facebook, uh, I'm hyper, um, active on that, and I also am on Instagram as well, so. All right. Well, um, we've got three months- [laughs]... before the election. Yeah. So it'll go by really fast, though. 52:03 It'll happen. So good luck to you. Offer invitation made to, to Heather Baxter to come on, and then maybe, maybe we'll have you both on at the same time. We'll see how that goes. Hey, I, I'll welcome it. 52:14 Um, hey, I'm open to it. We'll get any beverage of the candidate's choice. We'll do that. Yep. And then we'll... I don't know. We couldn't probably sell tickets, though, to this one. 52:24 But anyway, uh, good luck on your campaign. It was nice meeting you. Should we, uh... Okay. It, it- Thank you for having me. Uh, I... It has been a pleasure. I'm also always reading your material here, so thank you. 52:35 All right. Well, hopefully once you're in office, you can give us some leaks. So, uh- [laughs] At least be in, in embargo. Embargo information, right? So, uh, all right. Respectful way to put it. Yeah. 52:50 So, uh, anyway, thanks to Juvins Sleep Systems for being able to distribute it. News tips welcome. Thanks. 52:56 [outro music]
